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1. 

   logicalstep
   Member

   I keep coming back to pointui in the hope that i'll be able to get it working and that an applet has been done that means pointui provides all the same and more functions as TF3d, but every time I'm left dissapointed.

   I'm starting to wish I hadn't paid up for it now, waist of money.

   Reading the roadmap, it's clear the devs have no plans to add any official applets, that work with WVGA and have official best practice coding. I can't understand why the team aren't releasing any decent applets that work with the latest version and why are they leaving %100 of the job to the community, surely they should be releasing some basic applets to compete with the other ui's out there?

   Every single thing on the roadmap is for the engine and the devs, i know ultimatley that should trickling down to end users but it's just not in stable enough applets.

   Logicalstep

   Posted 1 year ago #
2. 

   zealster
   Member

   I don't have any sort of problem with Home2. What exactly are you looking for? I can do alot of daily tasks that make my life easier thanks to Home2:
   -Reorganize files thanks to AmanaExplorer
   -Keep track of select stocks thanks to MLStockTicker
   -Enable/Disable connections thanks to DeviceManager2
   -Keep track of daily and weekly weather with BlueOcean's Weather Applet.

   I'm not sure what else you need in Home2 that can't be extended through the Applets that are currently available, but for daily use I am satisfied with the current ones. As far as social networking, I use Facebook exclusively. Which has it's own app.

   What exactly are you looking for to improve Home2? TBH, I didn't like TF3D. It was too dark and kind of annoying.

   Posted 1 year ago #
3. 

   michaelp
   Member

   I have to agree with logicalstep. I would love to depend on .UI but on my O2Flame VGA wm5
   - it is way too unstable to be reliable, (FIXED with Hard reset)
   - consumes too much power (less than a day on a 3.2Amp extended battery), (FIXED with Hard reset)
   - can't connect to WAP in Pro release for any applets or .ui update, (FIXED with Hard reset)
   - has lost its applet integration momentum of 3 months ago,
   - doesn't manage version control and 3rd party (applet/theme) dependency in a robust manor.

   I'm back with .UI after a hard reset, I'm using spbV3 until the applets get sorted out

   Posted 1 year ago #
4. 

   logicalstep
   Member

   If you read my other threads, you'll see what I want.
   But your kind of making my point for me...you can do all those things in a stable easier to use TF3D APP.

   All I'm saying is that the devs are neglecting to provide any official applets which should be the base point of the programs and are relying on the community applets, which lets face, are ok...but alot of the time, verybuggy and not user freindly in the setup.

   And I'd be lying if I said swiping through 6 applets to get to my messages is fun. Lets have a nive 3d carousel ;)

   I'd love to know how many copies of home the pointui has sold, then I'd love to know how many of those sales are to people who are actively developing applets vs people who just want a working ui.

   Logicalstep

   Logi

   Posted 1 year ago #
5. 

   s@ndy
   Member

   @logicalstep, I think us "normal users" did manage to get some attention on your earlier Little disappointed thread. But nothing really came out of it. I know some developers on the community where away due to personal issues, some had lost their hard drives and others I guess are enjoying their summer vacation. I think we need to give these guys some time as some pretty exciting stuff is on the way. You have dickenz and some others working on Revolution UI, then there is WWHome. Meanwhile, I just keep using .UI with the standard applets (today, world, messaging)

   Posted 1 year ago #
6. 

   Nimche
   Member

   All the users on this forum, who are using Pro version of the UI or the free version, have some expectation from the UI and the community in order to fulfill their demands.
   To me PointUI was meant to be a user friendly UI especially for those who love creating new things every day in their life base on their mood.
   As you have paid enough attention to the Roadmap and you have seen most of the improvements are about enhancing the engine and the software and you see less subjects about developing any kind of applet or theme (I know for the fact that Monte the great is part of this team and has been developing applet and theme and helping with ideas all the time.) but all in all, the intention was/is to create a user friendly environment on your cell phone to make it easy for everyone to be part of their own daily life on the phone instead of someone else force their stuff down to their throat.
   Every single one of the applets and themes here are customizable and in the very near future, I am sure you can customize easier than today.
   What if we try to improve this UI by saying some positive words?
   - I love my phone more than before
   - New version of UI runs a lot smoother
   - Zenkinz has create awesome applet(s)
   - I do change my own designed them everyday
   - Etc…..
   Cheers

   Posted 1 year ago #
7. 

   logicalstep
   Member

   I'll give some positive words:

   - My phone is not improved over TF3D so I won't say that
   - New version of UI runs ok (most of the time)
   - Zenkinz has created some great applets, if they happen to work and you know how to mod
   - I don't need or want to change the design of my phone everyday, I just want it to have all the functions I need without messing around.
   - Etc...

   You making my point for me...the Devs aren;t putting enough effort into releasing decent applets, end of.

   I've already said I love the idea of Home 2, but the reality if sadly lacking unless you have LOTS of time on your hands.

   Logicalstep

   Posted 1 year ago #
8. 

   chong77
   Member

   well, logi, you have my support in this thread. though you are on your own about "I'm starting to wish I hadn't paid up for it now, waist of money." :)

   well, I paid up as well, but with the expectations that there are matured and stable apps developed by end-users. The devs, well, in a way are brilliant people who built the framework and let end users chip in on the creativity in terms of both graphical and applet functionality.

   Until 2.1.0.4 was released and break virtually most of the very well received applets/applet suites.

   From then on, there is very little fixes from the applet owners to bring the applet to be 2.1.0.4 compliant. Understand and agree that 2.1.0.4 brings about good scripting discipline by incorporating that in the framework, however, these changes should be rolled out in a subtle manner where there should be a transition plan to cater for this change.

   And this is the part where I felt the pointui devs themselves have to take up the responsibilities of assisting applet authors to upgrade their applets to 2.1.0.4 (by providing real-life tips AND tools for interpretating the gaps between their current scripts and 2.1.0.4 compliant. Popping up with errors and stacktrace alone isn't exactly enough).

   Personally I felt that PointUI owes the applet authors and the end-users/clients this much to do something about this whole inconvience which depreciates the values both Home2 and this business model. Afterall, it was THEIR(applet authors) efforts which amplifies the whole goodness of PointUI Home2 and the business model itself.

   This should be the direction and a lesson learnt for any future changes that might impact on any existing working applets on a generic scale.

   Regards,

   Posted 1 year ago #
9. 

   Shane
   Pointui

   Logical I can appreciate that for some reasons you can't let go, be it that you want Home 2 to go somewhere or you just plain have a chip on your shoulder. Irrespective, if you created a thread previously about this very subject then please keep it all in one so people aren't saying the same things over and over again.

   As for applets/scripting/making Home 2 yours and whatever else we're throwing in the ring. Applets that are 'breaking' Home 2 were doing it before, you just didn't see the problems. Two things with that, devs aren't didn't know as they never got feedback from the engine and Home 2 would have problems that we simple couldn't diagnose without a team of 4 times what we have. Devs now get that feedback. We're in the position where progressively applets are being updated thanks to the efforts of the community feedback.

   A simple solution would be to provide the option to suppress the feedback within Home 2, but this doesn't solve the problem it just makes things appear to be fine like we had with the 2.0 releases.

   As for who owes who what, we've never once taken the people who buy pro or contributions from people who produce, applets, themes, tools, support, anything that helps even one other person for granted. We have gotten into some of the applets and made some quick fixes but we don't have the resources to fix them all, again thats why posts like applet compatibility list are great.

   After the lessons of Home we're seeing exactly what we expected when you give people the chance to make whatever they want. The additional benefit is people have done things with the engine that we hadn't thought or even dreamt of. Make no mistake that its coming through loud and clear that people are happy not to know if bad things are happening if it means they get to enjoy their applets.

   Posted 1 year ago #
10. 

    zelendel
    Member

    @Shane Cant please everyone all the time man. Just personally I would rather have to wait for an applet to work completely all the time then have it now and it crash at the wrong time. You guys are doing great work. All great things never come perfect out of the box. Even M2D. To tell the truth I find it about as usefull as the sliding panels from 6.1 smartphone\6.5 PPC. Not very. So much you cant change or work with. Have both installed in the rom I run and point ui is still the first install after every flash. Even with out my fav applet right now till Norrin gets back. @logicalstep come on man let it go. To each their own. All these threads dont really do much to help. Just my 2 cents.

    Posted 1 year ago #
11. 

    Shane
    Pointui

    Next version will have Show Script Errors option (default Off) in Customization section.

    It still logs to the text file and we request that you do turn it on before reporting that Home 2 has gone pearshaped on your device.

    zelendel, the great thing is that people who don't like Home 2 tell us why and most of the time they are constructive and genuine. For the most part the reasons they present are reasons we've identified and are trying to remedy, just not enough time in the day to get it all done. Understandably in todays market people want it yesterday and twice as awesome as their imagination, the fact we've kept people's attention for this long is great.

    Posted 1 year ago #
12. 

    fouad796
    Member

    all i can say is Thanks pointui team and pointui community for all the outstanding work with the Home2 :))) and for people who dont like pointui as it is i dont know what to say. Untill now there is no wm UI that is 100% Costumizable and Fast like Pointui ....pointui team has done too much to satisfy everybody on the community by giving a great support but some people took advantage of this and start talking about imaginary things or complaining about anything and everything .i respect ur point Logicalstep but u need to understand the hard work the team and the community are doing ...its not that easy to make everybody happy if u dont like the product so move because there is hundreds or thousands of people who likes the product as it is and willing to contribute their work and help instead of talking about what ui is better. And about wasting ur money as u said thats ur fault man u know there is the free version so before buying u had to wait and try with free version since ur issue with home 2 is on the applets u didnt have to use the pro to get the applets....
    I HOPE THIS KIND OF TOPICS WILL STOP SOON...
    HAVE A NICE DAY

    Posted 1 year ago #
13. 

    chong77
    Member

    @Shane
    appreciates your recognition on the constructive feedbacks and not to take it negatively. Granted that its a chicken & egg situation where there are bound to have users(i.e. applet authors) often brings an application beyond the expected usage boundaries.

    My previous post has a little finger-pointing elements involved and I would like to "retract" that part.

    Make no mistake that its coming through loud and clear that people are happy not to know if bad things are happening if it means they get to enjoy their applets.

    Actually, that's not entirely true. It's just that no one anticipated of the framework being used on a certain manner and thus wasn't factored into the design to flag out to authors during their app development right from the start; that causes app authors to be able deviate from the good practise. And the downstream effect, would be the situation right now.

    From customers' perspective, we would wish reap the benefits for our invested interest on the product. Ultimately, if the product do not serve the intended purpose, then naturally people would make noise.

    Then again, its because of the way Home2 positioned its stand that applets are a community efforts -- which is the main driving factor of why I think Home2 is a great product and thus invested in it -- the current situation turns the model to be a double edged sword paradox.

    In any case, i am happy as long as there is a temporary solution that end-users can continue to benefit from functionalities introduced by these applets while fixes are in progress to correct the inherent issues and enhancements.

    Regards,

    Posted 1 year ago #
14. 

    logicalstep
    Member

    Understandably in todays market people want it yesterday and twice as awesome as their imagination, the fact we've kept people's attention for this long is great.

    I really don't want it twice a awesome as my imagination...that would lead to it being really really bad.
    Your right when you say I shouldn't keep on, but hey I keep on coming up against problems and so I feel the need to share my opinions to help you, obviously tallented coders understand that Joe bloggs doens't always want all flash and no substance, but sometimes basic functions that work well.

    It's unfair to imply that I have some kind of grudge against Home2, I love the concept and the idea....the app could be great...but I think your missing a huge chunk of audience by limiting the default functions.
    So if you want no further feedback from Joe bloggs and are only interested in what the applet developers want, then I'll stop posting.

    Logicalstep

    Posted 1 year ago #

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