Pointui Topic: Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta

Shane on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Shane — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:52:29 +0000

Does this look nice? I like the Screen a lot but when I get to this menu, it just doesn't feel right... It looks Web 1.0ish... It may not be important but it doesn't mix with the main screen much... Shane, you said you guys plan not to follow iPhone, well the menus are kinda like iPhone's screens... -A list is a list, we've been flogging lists since the first Home release, we actually went out of our way to make everything a list to prove a point. Not sure what Web1.0ish is but its Reveng25ish. Web2.0 is overrated and a bunch of things I can't say, its the Web there is no version unless your trying to get funding. The greys are the most complimentary for the themes, Apple/MS normally use white. The reference to Apple is more in line with fundamental interactions for core phone functionality, eg a screen with info, a fun way to have contacts (instead of a list), a keypad is universal but we don't have it as a popup where there is a list behind it. Shane, if you are free, can you explain the more about themes and the file extension.pkg? I'm not free but I'll still answer you ;) They are made up of at the moment a colour palette text file for the random colours. In the future we may look to have the blocks done with graphics. The themes are made up images muck like Home 2 only we have very little alpha and overlays of images. This means the buttons are composited as whole up and down states with backgrounds. This is done purely for performance, we had some pretty aggressive targets for framerates. Put it this way, its not Home 2 so you're not going to get as much freedom, I like to look at it as a challenge. I would probably implement a softrest menu in setting for ease of use. -Good suggestion Q: Why is the setting is in a different page where you could probably have it on the same screen with squarish background? If you have a ground that you have lay everthing there with a new concept, why would you go back to some old cheesy method. - Cheesy, nice... Its a random list of things, some launch off to other list screen screens and some toggle the values in place. The code on a canvas screen could be done well but its easier to put them into a list and add as we go, its how we did it on Home 2 so it kind of felt right also. The formatting is nicer now that we have a proper two lines Q:I am sure that this might be part of your roadmap but are there squares going to move in the future? like 6 of them open up and your setting menu is right under them? - Not sure what you mean My ferris wheel is running... Be glad, Melbourne's is broken Just a couple of thoughts from my side. I would love to have a button for saving new numbers which a dial, like the pointsense dialer has. When somebody gives me his number, my first thought goes to the dial pad, to dial the number. This is the fastest way to dial the number. I consider going to the agenda, then opening new contact and finding the phone field as being a lengthy process, and the people in front of me does not have al the time the patience to see me pulling out the stylus in order to input and save the number. A save to contact button , with two options, save to an existing contact and save as new contact would be really helpful in this direction. This thing is already implemented in Home2, so I think it will not be very hard to do it also fore Phone. - This functionality is planned, it would actually work where the number you enter on the keypad is the first text area and the text area below that would show an + and SMS button. On my device I see a strange behaviour. I open Phone, send it to the background with the windows flag button and it stays there for some time, but after some time it crashes. Nothing brings it back, - an incoming call, the green call button or tapping on the link in start menu. The only way to have it back is to reset the device. Does anybody else saw this? - No but we're keen to know more One more thing. Maybe it is not bad to have something like a way of choosing the content of the incoming call screen (or choosing between two way of displaying the screen). I would love to have a bigger picture of the caller, and some more info about him (bigger font for phone number, company name maybe). In my opinion one look over the incoming call screen should be enough to decide if you answer the phone or not, and more info can help you take that decision. -Bigger pictures would have been really nice, could have done some nice slicing of the image to overall make the face up but alas, MS stores a small crappy image so we're left with either a blown up pixelated image or the small image chopped up like crazy (but cool crazy) Also, the idea of sliding to answer is nice, but why not keeping the possibility of answering and ending the call using the hardware buttons. I tried to see if they work , but unfortunately on my device only ending the call works, and not the button for accepting the calls. The whole process of identifying the caller, answering and rejecting a call should be made straight forward. Of course, visual appeal is one problem which everybody is crazy about, but the functionality should come first in this matter. - Problem one, the phone rings and its in your pocket. Suddenly your testicles are having a conversation with someone. Answer, hardware buttons possibly but we liked the idea of a more elaborate way to interact with the phone. Yes its been done by Apple and the people who copied them, we actually had the gesture upward to relfect picking up the call but the canvas animation and future functionality meant it was better to get left to right. I was really hesitant about this phone skin, since it seemed too random to be useful. Once I tried it though, most of the layout made sense. I wish the contacts were handled a little differently, but other than that, it is great. If the WinMo 6.5 beachball could get sorted, this would be my primary phone screen. -The random is the colours, its actually a simple layout keypad, info and fav contacts but I guess we did a good job giving the impression we're crazy. We lined up the fav contacts area. The bookmark scrolling will return in the future. A contacts screen has been added. Beachball should be fixed now. I was wondering if the version released was close to how you envisioned the final version, or if there was still a roadmap you guys have to changes. Were you guys thinking of changing the contact screen to be a little more hierarchical, incorporating the settings to the phone canvas, etc? - We'll make some additions and fixes but 1.0.06 is getting really close to a first paid release. Not sure what you mean by hierarchical re the contacts. Pointui Phone also appears to launch whenever the phone signal is lost or found. This is unnecessary. - Fixed Other than that, continued testing has not thrown up any new issues for me. I'm really enjoying using this. As for which theme, much to my surprise, I find myself using zun3 rather than classic. I find classic a bit too cold and also lacking in contrast. I wonder whether more of a primary colour-based theme would work better, but guess I can wait for custom themes to come along for this. - We added the fav text to be black on light colours now so that should help the Classic users -- Closed. New version available. <a href="http://community.pointui.com/topic/phone-build-1006-community-beta" rel="nofollow">http://community.pointui.com/topic/phone-build-1006-community-beta</a>

ganzee on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

ganzee — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:05:37 +0000

<blockquote>- Pointui Phone launches whenever I make a change to the Phone setting (either in WM or using Home e.g. Adrenaline Suite: Curium applet. This is rather annoying, particularly if I am turning the phone connection off, the last thing I want to see is a Phone screen!</blockquote> Pointui Phone also appears to launch whenever the phone signal is lost or found. This is unnecessary. Other than that, continued testing has not thrown up any new issues for me. I'm really enjoying using this. As for which theme, much to my surprise, I find myself using zun3 rather than classic. I find classic a bit too cold and also lacking in contrast. I wonder whether more of a primary colour-based theme would work better, but guess I can wait for custom themes to come along for this.

Neff on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Neff — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:35:48 +0000

I was wondering if the version released was close to how you envisioned the final version, or if there was still a roadmap you guys have to changes. Were you guys thinking of changing the contact screen to be a little more hierarchical, incorporating the settings to the phone canvas, etc?

fanytang on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

fanytang — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 06:22:28 +0000

nice

victorjr on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

victorjr — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:40:11 +0000

Hahaha, Also ThinkAlso

Nimche on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Nimche — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:49:27 +0000

LiveDuo, am I missing something?

LiveDuo on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

LiveDuo — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:57:37 +0000

@tikejhya the language called PointUI C script and was based on C#...the only you need is a notepad but it will be more helpful to use visual studio... for Scripting info see Documentation.... <a href="http://docs.pointui.com/" rel="nofollow">http://docs.pointui.com/</a>

Neff on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Neff — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:04:10 +0000

I was really hesitant about this phone skin, since it seemed too random to be useful. Once I tried it though, most of the layout made sense. I wish the contacts were handled a little differently, but other than that, it is great. If the WinMo 6.5 beachball could get sorted, this would be my primary phone screen.

Nimche on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Nimche — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:13:46 +0000

You promise that you won't take over PointUI and Point Phone?

tikejhya on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

tikejhya — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:16:43 +0000

@ Shane::: if u dont mind can i ask you few things like what is the core that u use to build this ::: programing language & tools. Thanks. (much appreciated.) i am in need to know, (reason: I want to do project(Software Engg.) based on windows mobile and i want to do something worthy for all,).. Many THanks

biohazardousguy on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

biohazardousguy — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:34:06 +0000

Just a couple of thoughts from my side. I would love to have a button for saving new numbers which a dial, like the pointsense dialer has. When somebody gives me his number, my first thought goes to the dial pad, to dial the number. This is the fastest way to dial the number. I consider going to the agenda, then opening new contact and finding the phone field as being a lengthy process, and the people in front of me does not have al the time the patience to see me pulling out the stylus in order to input and save the number. A save to contact button , with two options, save to an existing contact and save as new contact would be really helpful in this direction. This thing is already implemented in Home2, so I think it will not be very hard to do it also fore Phone. On my device I see a strange behaviour. I open Phone, send it to the background with the windows flag button and it stays there for some time, but after some time it crashes. Nothing brings it back, - an incoming call, the green call button or tapping on the link in start menu. The only way to have it back is to reset the device. Does anybody else saw this? One more thing. Maybe it is not bad to have something like a way of choosing the content of the incoming call screen (or choosing between two way of displaying the screen). I would love to have a bigger picture of the caller, and some more info about him (bigger font for phone number, company name maybe). In my opinion one look over the incoming call screen should be enough to decide if you answer the phone or not, and more info can help you take that decision. Also, the idea of sliding to answer is nice, but why not keeping the possibility of answering and ending the call using the hardware buttons. I tried to see if they work , but unfortunately on my device only ending the call works, and not the button for accepting the calls. The whole process of identifying the caller, answering and rejecting a call should be made straight forward. Of course, visual appeal is one problem which everybody is crazy about, but the functionality should come first in this matter. Cheers, MM

zealster on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

zealster — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:34:10 +0000

Take a ride on the ferris wheel! It never stops! :( When this is fixed this'll be an awesome product.

dickenz on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

dickenz — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:19:38 +0000

Shane, Thanks for your hardwork again. Let's see what the new version brings to the table. It's Friday so I might do some mockups... I have a concept in mind... We'll see... I'll report back with some feedback!

Nimche on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Nimche — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:41:46 +0000

My ferris wheel is here...(loader) I would probably implement a softrest menu in setting for ease of use. Q: Why is the setting is in a different page where you could probably have it on the same screen with squarish background? If you have a ground that you have lay everthing there with a new concept, why would you go back to some old cheesy method. Q:I am sure that this might be part of your roadmap but are there squares going to move in the future? like 6 of them open up and your setting menu is right under them? Keep up the good work, My ferris wheel is running...

arvizard on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

arvizard — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:32:14 +0000

Good job on this! I like this new approach of making and receiving calls.. its fun now!.... I used the previous beta earlier, and while most of the bugs were fixed, there is just one that I noticed. The last call only shows the name of the person who was the last to call me..it doesnt show the last call I made. This maybe because of my phone(Diamond), but there is a delay after pressing the dial button... it takes a while for the dialing screen to show up and the animation/ flow is choppy. Other than that, its great! Waiting for the finished product.

nate12 on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

nate12 — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:17:54 +0000

Does this look nice? I like the Screen a lot but when I get to this menu, it just doesn't feel right... It looks Web 1.0ish... It may not be important but it doesn't mix with the main screen much... Shane, you said you guys plan not to follow iPhone, well the menus are kinda like iPhone's screens... Shane, if you are free, can you explain the more about themes and the file extension.pkg? Anyways, I'm enjoying Pointui Phone! Thanks guys!

ganzee on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

ganzee — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:04:26 +0000

Sorry if I have missed something here, but there does not appear to be a function to snap the main screen back to its original location without having to go to the dialer or contacts screens and then using the > or < buttons respectively. Could a button the main screen not snap it back to the central position? When I have been sliding the screens around, it is a bit frustrating that this seems to be the only way to display the full information on screen. I would also like to applaud Pointui for this radical new approach to a dialer. It is great to see innovation rather than imitation. Thank you!

lesscro on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

lesscro — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:36:49 +0000

looks promising... integrated on TG01... and work great... bug about wait cursor too other like a charm...

nate12 on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

nate12 — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:29:44 +0000

<blockquote>Fixes/Updates -Incoming call now rings/vibrates as per normal phone settings. -Calls now updates list after removing all calls. - Aligned the Favourite Contacts area of the canvas to be top left so there are rows of 5 blocks and updated image map so there are no blank spots for that immediate area. -Removed Delete option for Contacts -Added missed call screen with info when away from the phone.</blockquote> Yes, all the fixes and updates are working! Will report more later for other bugs... <blockquote>- Edit Contact screen does not display correctly. Sometimes it flashes but does not do anything. Other times it opens the WM screen to edit the contact (name, numbers etc) but the top bar is not displayed correctly (as shown in the screen attached) - I cannot save any changes made on the Edit Contact screen because the OK button is hidden behind the Pointui Phone screen (as shown in post 3 above)</blockquote> Same bugs here ...

imfloflo on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

imfloflo — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:47:24 +0000

Same error as the previous version 1.0.0.4, not lauching on my HTC Polaris QVGA - with pcarvalho WM6.5 23081 rom. Installation OK. Launch -> the name Change to "phone" and i see a wait cursor, moving during few seconds and block. I must push red button to go back to Windows Home Titatnium.

ganzee on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

ganzee — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:43:20 +0000

@Monte: WM6.1 stock (version 3.29.206.0 WWE)

Montecristoff on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Montecristoff — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:21:10 +0000

@ganzee: what's your ROM?

ganzee on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

ganzee — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:12:39 +0000

Further feedback on Edit Contact: - I cannot use any WIP keyboard (WM standard or otherwise). The only way I can enter or edit details is with the hardware keyboard on my TyTN II. - I cannot save any changes made on the Edit Contact screen because the OK button is hidden behind the Pointui Phone screen (as shown in post 3 above) Feedback on Incoming Call screen: + Love it! Especially the ease of use for locking and for taking notes Thanks Shane et al!

colincoxau on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

colincoxau — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:51:57 +0000

Just tested on my Omnia and works well thanks for the quick update shane. Also this one shows the photos when I select a contact with photo. Wasn't working on previous version.

victorjr on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

victorjr — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:47:57 +0000

windows 6.5 loading icon still visible. Will test it more

ganzee on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

ganzee — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:43:06 +0000

<strike>{EDIT] Phone now rings - yay! But none of the buttons on the Incoming Call screen work - Boo! So I still cannot answer calls.</strike> [EDIT] OK - I get it now! Slide to answer :S Further feedback: - Pointui Phone launches whenever I make a change to the Phone setting (either in WM or using Home e.g. Adrenaline Suite: Curium applet. This is rather annoying, particularly if I am turning the phone connection off, the last thing I want to see is a Phone screen! - Scroll wheel on my TyTn II is not currently supported. This would make list navigation a lot easier, or at least give me more options. - Edit Contact screen does not display correctly. Sometimes it flashes but does not do anything. Other times it opens the WM screen to edit the contact (name, numbers etc) but the top bar is not displayed correctly (as shown in the screen attached) + Like the hardware Call button to launch Pointui Phone and the hangup to return to Home. (I know this is the same for the standard WM dialer, but so far the feedback has concentrated on the Windows button on the Pointui Phone main screen.) I notice this new beta no longer allows you to permanently delete contacts from your phone. This 'solves' one of the issues I reported in the earlier beta.

Montecristoff on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Montecristoff — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:34:56 +0000

Thanks Shane ;)

Shane on "Phone [Build 1.0.04b] Community Beta"

Shane — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:32:12 +0000

Pointui Phone Trial runs for 30 days (requires one time internet connection, activesync to PC is acceptable). Includes Classic and Zun3 themes. Technical Details: <ul><li>WM5/6/6.1/6.5</li><li>Touch Screens Only</li><li>English Only</li><li>QVGA/WQVGA</li><li>VGA/WVGA</li> </ul> This may work on square screen devices but we don't support them at present. This should run on non-English devices but we only support English at present. Details This is an early beta we are making available for you to try and we have not tested on a wide range of devices yet, so if you have any problems please let us know. While Pointui Phone is running you will not have access to your standard WM Phone application. If you need to use your standard WM Phone application you can exit Pointui Phone (to exit click i then the power icon) at any time and it will resume working normally. If not, just soft reset your device. Fixes/Updates -Incoming call now rings/vibrates as per normal phone settings. -Calls now updates list after removing all calls. - Aligned the Favourite Contacts area of the canvas to be top left so there are rows of 5 blocks and updated image map so there are no blank spots for that immediate area. -Removed Delete option for Contacts -Added missed call screen with info when away from the phone. Known/Reported Issues <a href="http://community.pointui.com/topic/phone-build-1004-community-beta?replies=30#post-34345">WM6.5 Wait Cursor</a> <a href="http://community.pointui.com/topic/phone-build-1004-community-beta?replies=30#post-34359">Unconfirmed not loading on WM6.5</a> Download <a href="http://downloads.pointui.com/public/phone/cabs/Pointui.Phone.QVGA.WQVGA.Build.1.0.04b.cab">QVGA/WQVGA</a> <a href="http://downloads.pointui.com/public/phone/cabs/Pointui.Phone.VGA.WVGA.Build.1.0.04b.cab">VGA/WVGA</a>